END TIMES MYSTERY?
KABOB LUNCH
Four pastors enjoy lunch eating kabobs at a Mediterranean restaurant to discuss different topics and share their points of view.
Pastor Dave asks, "There seems to be a lot of confusion and debate about the '7 year Tribulation' and the 'Great Tribulation'. Are they different or are we talking about the same thing?"
Pastor Frank remarks, "Could the things written in Daniel and Revelation all ready have been fulfilled in 70 AD, by the destruction of Jerusalem?"
Pastor Dave reads, "Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy." (Daniel 9:24 ASV - American Standard Bible)
Pastor Jun De talks, "69 weeks in Daniel have been fulfilled, but God paused the 70th week to finish later."
Pastor Manuel adds, "OK, does everyone believe Daniel's 7 weeks refers to 7 years of Tribulation?"
Pastor Jun De continues, "But there is a distinction. The 'Great Tribulation' refers to the last 3 1/2 years! After the Antichrist is revealed defiling the third temple in Jerusalem, the God will pour out His wrath upon the Earth."
Pastor Manuel questions, "Pastor Jun De, can you explain, I'm confused."
Pastor Jun De explains, Jesus said, " For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matthew 24:21 NKJV) This happens after the antichrist is revealed in the abomination of desolation."
Pastor Frank smiles, "Where are you getting that from? Isn't 'GREAT' an adjective describing intensity?"
Pastor Jun De continues, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
(Matthew 24:29-30 NKJV) You see, 3 1/2 years after the antichrist was revealed, will be the second coming of Jesus Christ."
Pastor Manuel questions, "The last passage you read says 'Tribulation,' not 'Great Tribulation.' What is the full context of Matthew 24?"
Pastor Dave says, "So when you see the abomination of desolation—spoken about by Daniel the prophet—standing in the holy place” (let the reader understand), “then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. The one on the roof must not come down to take anything out of his house, and the one in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing their babies in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. (Matthew 24:15-21 NET - New English Translation)
Pastor Frank states, "Jesus warning the people living in Israel to flee to the mountains and wilderness, because there will be Great Tribulation to the people living in Israel?"
Pastor Jun De continues, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." (Daniel 12:1 KJV)
Pastor Dave remarks, "I believe the 7 year Tribulation involves a war against God's people, by the unholy trinity...Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet, trying to prevent the second coming of the Messiah."
Pastor Manuel speaks, "It's like the feud with Moses and Pharaoh. Every time the Pharaoh did something bad, God poured out His wrath."
Pastor Jun De remarks, "Look at all the tribulation in the world today. People are dying and being persecuted. Look at all the suffering from earthquakes, famines and disasters. Why does God allow these things to happen?"
Pastor Frank ask, "Is God pouring out His tribulation and judgement on the righteous?
Pastor Dave continues, "The first harvest is the Barley grain, that doesn't need a threshing sled. Barley can be seperated from its husk and stalk by hand using household tools.
I believe, righteous believers in Jesus Christ will be raptured and spared from going through the 7 year tribulation on Earth. This is the first harvest."
Pastor Manuel reads, "But God also rescued Lot out of Sodom because he was a righteous man who was sick of the shameful immorality of the wicked people around him. Yes, Lot was a righteous man who was tormented in his soul by the wickedness he saw and heard day after day. So you see, the Lord knows how to rescue godly people from their trials, even while keeping the wicked under punishment until the day of final judgment. (2 Peter 2:7-9 NLT ~ New Living Translation)
Pastor Dave continues, "The second harvest is hard Wheat grain that needs a threshing sledge to seperate the grain from the chaff through pressure and friction. The latin name for this sledge is "Tribulum, where we get the word Tribulation."
Pastor Manuel adds, "Like grains of wheat,
people will have hard hearts. Some will be broken down by the Tribulum, while others will blow away like the chaff."
Pastor Jun De remarks, "I still believe the Great Tribulation begins at the middle of the 7 years, after the antichrist is revealed by defiling the holy temple in Jerusalem."
Pastor Dave continues, "Christ's church will be in Heaven to witness the Lamb opening up the first seal, revealing the White Horseman."
Pastor Manuel says, "Imagine if all the good Christians suddenly were raptured, would this be a good time for the Antichrist to appear on the world scene? Would there be any opposition for him to come to power?"
Pastor Frank adds, "When the Lamb opens the first seal, the Antichrist will be riding a white horse, wearing a victory crown, and carrying a bow."
Pastor Manuel states, "Some people believe he will make a peace covenant and allow the Jews to build their third temple on the temple mount."
Everyone is silent for one moment.
Pastor Manuel adds, "In heaven the Lamb opens one seal at a time. White horseman is the Antichrist, Red horseman brings war, Black horseman causes worldwide famine, Pale Green horseman brings pestillence. After the six seals 1/4 of the world's population will be deceased."
Pastor Dave adds, "Pastor Jun De, would you consider this part of the Tribulation?"
Pastor Jun De questions, "You don't get my point, what about the Great Tribulation after the first 3 1/2 years?"
Pastor Dave continues, I believe Daniel said there is one 7 year Tribulation, before the return of Jesus Christ. It begins will God's righteous will be raptured. God is omniscient and knows the future. Only the Lamb of God is worthy to peel the Seals.
Pastor Manuel adds, "There will be wars, rumor of wars, nations fighting nations, famines and pestilence."
Pastor Dave continues, "God is slow to anger. But he will pour our his wrath in the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments."
Pastor Manuel adds, "I don't know how anyone can split the 7 year Tribulation in two."
Pastor Jun De smiles, "I'm beginning to see the light. I'm glad we can talk about these things."
Pastor Dave concludes, "On the Day of the Lord, Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives, to establish His kingdom on Earth. Satan will be thrown into a pit and locked up for 1,000 years. And we will be living in a world of peace!"
Pastor Manuel reads, "Because you have kept My command to endure, I will also keep you from the hour of testing that is going to come over the whole world to test those who live on the earth. I am coming quickly. Hold on to what you have, so that no one takes your crown." (Revelation 3:10-11 HCSB - Holman Christian Standard Bible)




